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Post by townbear on Apr 13, 2012 16:42:50 GMT
.CONGLETON manager Jim Vince reckons half-a-dozen members of his squad have done enough to be part of his plans next season.
He said: "We are competitive and done well against top teams and some of the lads have been terrific. They will be part of the team next year.
FORWARD PLANNING: Congleton Town manager Jimmy Vince has already started looking ahead to next season.
."But the players who come in will put us in a better position and will be more consistent."
Vince has already targeted some of the players he would like to bring to Booth Street.
He said: "Players can see the brand of football we will be playing and want to come to Congleton Town. No names at present, but there will soon be a free for all.
"The wage structure will dictate the size of the squad, but there will be no reserve and no youth team next season. Everything will be focused on the first team.
"These are exciting times for me and intriguing times for the fans."
Congleton scored their first back-to-back wins since Vince took over two months ago over Easter.
They dug out a result at home to Padiham and won at Alsager where Vince said: "Their goalkeeper (Tom Harrison) was man of the match. He made six or seven outstanding saves."
Congleton meet Squires Gate at Booth Street tomorrow.
Taken from the Sentinel
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Post by silkyman on Apr 14, 2012 17:12:20 GMT
No reserve team, no youth team?
If good enough a youth team player would progress into the reserves. Likewise a reserve team player, if good enough would progress into the first team. This season, as the previous season, six or seven reserve team players have played for the first team. I understood the board recognised this as the way forward. Am I mistaken?
Surely this system benefits the club. Why has it now decided they have become a burden and are to severe the two feeder teams? Is it the club or our new manager that has instigated this?
Most of the youth and reserves are local lads. I thought we were about community, a peoples club, for the people of Congleton, by the people of Congleton. We're not though are we? With this decision we are about to lose something most important.
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Post by CollieDog on Apr 16, 2012 16:47:13 GMT
The general opinions as described by those who oppose the running of a reserve and youth side next season (not necessarily my opinion): There are insufficient 'local' players talented enough to make that transition through youth & reserves into the first-team. First-team managers are more likely to bring in their own players than utilise reserve players. Of a squad of say 20 reserve players, only a handful will be young enough to continue to develop. So if you're 26 and playing for the reserves in the Cheshire League, then you've probably found your level and you're not NWC standard. Matchday's need to be manned (mainly applies to reserve games); dressing rooms cleaned, pitch prepared, post match food and off-pitch facilities e.g. bar/clubhouse available and there are insufficent volunteers available to man these games without undue burden being placed on a handful of individuals (who generally will be the same people who do the same things for the first-team). Personally I can only sympathise with the lack of willing volunteers to help put these matches on. That's why I won't be doing it again next season..irrespective of the fact that there may only be a first-team and in terms of the clubhouse, parties and functions do not (apparently) affect most of those involved purely on the football side. Really, bet you appreciate the cash they generate though?? So I'd question what 'percentage' of youth/reserve players you would anticipate making the first-team. If you think it's going to be 80% then you know less about football than you thought; perhaps the occasional Lewis Short, Rueben Kennerley or Will Riley ought to be justification enough, especially if you spot the talent early enough to reap the potential future financial rewards? And from my own experience of watching games both home and away, no reserve player I've yet seen has embarrassed themselves when called in to play for the first-team, if anything they've raised their game and done a job when required. As for the 26/Cheshire League statement, well you have to have a core of squad players for any team. Most likely you'd anticipate a starting 11 of the reserve side to perhaps include 2 or 3 from the first-team squad either regaining or retaining match fitness, your core of perhaps 6 or 7 Cheshire Leaguers, and the 'high potential' talent of the youth side taking up the last couple of places. It was Andy Rat's 50th birthday party last Saturday at the clubhouse, which despite having recently been advised they were being shelved, attracted the vast majority of the reserve side who showed their pride in playing for this club via the Congleton Town football songs being aired throughout the night and who put aside any bitterness to put well over £500 across the bar.. So next season we lose the loyalty of people like Ratty, Deano and Graham Booth etc., local lads who put their heart and soul into Congleton Town FC whilst considering changing the controlling company into a Community Interest Club... Go figure..because I can't?   Oh and I think I can say the above without any disrespect to Jim Vince. |
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Post by bigal on Apr 21, 2012 22:37:09 GMT
;D The general opinions as described by those who oppose the running of a reserve and youth side next season (not necessarily my opinion): There are insufficient 'local' players talented enough to make that transition through youth & reserves into the first-team. First-team managers are more likely to bring in their own players than utilise reserve players. Of a squad of say 20 reserve players, only a handful will be young enough to continue to develop. So if you're 26 and playing for the reserves in the Cheshire League, then you've probably found your level and you're not NWC standard. Matchday's need to be manned (mainly applies to reserve games); dressing rooms cleaned, pitch prepared, post match food and off-pitch facilities e.g. bar/clubhouse available and there are insufficent volunteers available to man these games without undue burden being placed on a handful of individuals (who generally will be the same people who do the same things for the first-team). Personally I can only sympathise with the lack of willing volunteers to help put these matches on. That's why I won't be doing it again next season..irrespective of the fact that there may only be a first-team and in terms of the clubhouse, parties and functions do not (apparently) affect most of those involved purely on the football side. Really, bet you appreciate the cash they generate though?? So I'd question what 'percentage' of youth/reserve players you would anticipate making the first-team. If you think it's going to be 80% then you know less about football than you thought; perhaps the occasional Lewis Short, Rueben Kennerley or Will Riley ought to be justification enough, especially if you spot the talent early enough to reap the potential future financial rewards? And from my own experience of watching games both home and away, no reserve player I've yet seen has embarrassed themselves when called in to play for the first-team, if anything they've raised their game and done a job when required. As for the 26/Cheshire League statement, well you have to have a core of squad players for any team. Most likely you'd anticipate a starting 11 of the reserve side to perhaps include 2 or 3 from the first-team squad either regaining or retaining match fitness, your core of perhaps 6 or 7 Cheshire Leaguers, and the 'high potential' talent of the youth side taking up the last couple of places. It was Andy Rat's 50th birthday party last Saturday at the clubhouse, which despite having recently been advised they were being shelved, attracted the vast majority of the reserve side who showed their pride in playing for this club via the Congleton Town football songs being aired throughout the night and who put aside any bitterness to put well over £500 across the bar.. So next season we lose the loyalty of people like Ratty, Deano and Graham Booth etc., local lads who put their heart and soul into Congleton Town FC whilst considering changing the controlling company into a Community Interest Club... Go figure..because I can't? Oh and I think I can say the above without any disrespect to Jim Vince. |
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Post by alanbooth on Apr 21, 2012 22:39:37 GMT
;D The general opinions as described by those who oppose the running of a reserve and youth side next season (not necessarily my opinion): There are insufficient 'local' players talented enough to make that transition through youth & reserves into the first-team. First-team managers are more likely to bring in their own players than utilise reserve players. Of a squad of say 20 reserve players, only a handful will be young enough to continue to develop. So if you're 26 and playing for the reserves in the Cheshire League, then you've probably found your level and you're not NWC standard. Matchday's need to be manned (mainly applies to reserve games); dressing rooms cleaned, pitch prepared, post match food and off-pitch facilities e.g. bar/clubhouse available and there are insufficent volunteers available to man these games without undue burden being placed on a handful of individuals (who generally will be the same people who do the same things for the first-team). Personally I can only sympathise with the lack of willing volunteers to help put these matches on. That's why I won't be doing it again next season..irrespective of the fact that there may only be a first-team and in terms of the clubhouse, parties and functions do not (apparently) affect most of those involved purely on the football side. Really, bet you appreciate the cash they generate though?? So I'd question what 'percentage' of youth/reserve players you would anticipate making the first-team. If you think it's going to be 80% then you know less about football than you thought; perhaps the occasional Lewis Short, Rueben Kennerley or Will Riley ought to be justification enough, especially if you spot the talent early enough to reap the potential future financial rewards? And from my own experience of watching games both home and away, no reserve player I've yet seen has embarrassed themselves when called in to play for the first-team, if anything they've raised their game and done a job when required. As for the 26/Cheshire League statement, well you have to have a core of squad players for any team. Most likely you'd anticipate a starting 11 of the reserve side to perhaps include 2 or 3 from the first-team squad either regaining or retaining match fitness, your core of perhaps 6 or 7 Cheshire Leaguers, and the 'high potential' talent of the youth side taking up the last couple of places. It was Andy Rat's 50th birthday party last Saturday at the clubhouse, which despite having recently been advised they were being shelved, attracted the vast majority of the reserve side who showed their pride in playing for this club via the Congleton Town football songs being aired throughout the night and who put aside any bitterness to put well over £500 across the bar.. So next season we lose the loyalty of people like Ratty, Deano and Graham Booth etc., local lads who put their heart and soul into Congleton Town FC whilst considering changing the controlling company into a Community Interest Club... Go figure..because I can't? Oh and I think I can say the above without any disrespect to Jim Vince. |
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Post by alanbooth on Apr 21, 2012 22:59:50 GMT
fully agree with collydog whose running the club the board or the moneymen and new manager . and why is richie booth not on list for player of season on web site as i understand he is still a signed player at ctfc another insult to a player.And i may add a local lad talk about community which community do they meen cogleton or the northwest as for getting people to work on matchdays if they ever asked anyone they get people to volunteer they ar to interested in sucking up to the sponsers and not thinking of the supporters who with out there will be no club, promotion will bring in support has been a well used phrase this season ha ha .The club is begining to thik it a big outfit where they think the supporters arnt important and the sponsors are the be all and end all we will see how important the club are if they dont get promoted thets my rant over.ps, hope to see someone from the club at the reserves last game next week not like last week at cup final .
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Post by Basil on Apr 22, 2012 20:43:45 GMT
Before any rumours take hold it should be dismissed that Jim Vince had any role in getting rid of the reserve & youth teams as I believe that to be wholly incorrect.
Collie has outlined at lot of factors. As I understand it the reserve team has been dropped because the first team has & is expected to continue running on a squad basis and arguably only 1 or 2 ( Lewis Short & Andy John ?)have come through to prove good NWCL standard players. Although as Collie rightly points out numerous reserve & youth players have filled in briefly & never let the club down. The other factor was lack of people willing to operate match days, although here I would throw in the question of “why” cannot volunteers be attracted. Perhaps this has something to do with how CTFC is run and treats people ?
The last point moves me on to another comment in that CTFC seems to have a habit of mishandling numerous situations and p***ing people off. This season we have had the mystifying appointment of Paladino, ending in a bitter press article, a similar end with Dean Sibson & now with the likes of Andy Ratcliffe and the whole of the reserve & youth teams!! There is a right & proper way to go about things and it is not always what is done but how it is done.
Going back to the reserve & youth team debate, while there may be some merit in the view regarding lack of first team progression, there are surely other reasons to run a second team & youth team. By this I mean the community aspects and the building of a larger & wider based club.
My own view is that things needed reviewing but CTFC going from three teams to one has to be a retrograde overall step for CTFC.
Another aspect of all this is, Who actually makes these decisions ? Who are the board ? Who are the committee ? How is the board formed ? How is the committee elected ? What democracy or accountability exists ? If these aspects of the club were right, not only might it be more of a community club but better decisions are likely to be made, in a better manner and a lot of these negative situations avoided.
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Post by andyrat on Apr 23, 2012 11:14:50 GMT
Before any rumours take hold it should be dismissed that Jim Vince had any role in getting rid of the reserve & youth teams as I believe that to be wholly incorrect Based on what is this view "wholly incorrect" ?? |
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Post by barfly on Apr 23, 2012 14:55:15 GMT
with regards to jim vince having no say in the reserve and youth side being dumped.he and his assistant had a conversation in the bar with pete evens about bringing the under 18 team from knutsford to congleton next season and there was an agreement that would happen, this was after jims second home game .i now understand that this plan has been dropped ( probably because of the opposition at hte club) the question is when if ever pete evens was
going to tell the people who this concerned ie commitee & directors .some of these people are saying they are sick of hearing about club decisions sacond hand and not the official channels
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Post by Basil on Apr 23, 2012 20:39:28 GMT
Andy, I think Barfly may have answered your question but consider that the decision regarding the reserve & youth had already been made BEFORE that overheard conversation (ie) the decision was not instigated from Vince but rather by the other party. I doubt this individual has the full confidence of the board or committee( whom ever they may be !) & certainly not the wider club, yet they continue to dominate events at CTFC.
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Post by mudman on Apr 27, 2012 17:54:30 GMT
Before i add anything to the reserve,youth debate,a little overview of me,Dave Wilcock,or mudman as i have had to all myself GOD knows why everyonedoesent use there bleeding name,i hate computers,these bloody forums,mega bites,giga bites,apps,tweets,twits,and any other gadget after 8 trackstereo units,but thats just my take on things,I have been involved at Congleton Town for about 26 years,done alsorts of jobs,is taken 6years to get on this sodding website,i wont spend much time on here,as my arthritis flares up when i press millions or buttons with one finger.So to my response,i would rather have a reserve team,but it wont run itself,several years ago the club had a open meeting about starting a reserve team and about 30 people put there hands up to carry the motion,few if any thought they would help run it,there are times recently,when there has been,Colin,Alan Bell,me and oggie,to watch oggie battle through his pain barrier to serve a tea and a hot dog,brings tears to my eyes,he is priceless,and to those people at that meeting,hang your head,you dont come close,its been mentiond many times about help on reserve games,what do we do,"BEG".I might add that i am not a director or shareholder,Im a SUPPORTER.Iv seen people come and go,Iv seen managers come and go,Iv disagreed with lots of people,and agreed with lots of people,the club doesnt get things right,never has,never will.But there are people at the club that have given more than a few words on a website,Pete Evens ha got some things wrong in the past,but he has got many more things right,and sacrificed more for this club than most others put together,there are TALKERS,THINKERS,AND DOERS in life,only doers get things wrong,the reserve team going has nowt to do with Jim Vince,i know he would rather have a reserve team,cos i asked him,but he undertands the situation,as i have mentiond his name,i will add a last remark to this "post",i had never heard of Jim untill he was linked with us,he is a pro,he considers others,and askes a lowly groundsman if he can train on the pitch,that has,nt happend much in the past,though Dean always thought about the pitch and other peoples imput at the club,i think Jim can really put something together.But it needs us all to get behind the club,you might disagree about things,and there has, and always will be mistakes made,but im convinced everyone does there best,but somtimes thats not enough.I am going now,i have been sat at this bloody computer for 4hrs,arse numb,eyes strained,but just had to respond.
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Post by oracle on Aug 15, 2012 16:18:50 GMT
Watch the game last night, if that's the way our team is going to play, I'll have some more of that, "ole" for those at the game will know what I mean
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